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Symptoms of Narcissism
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms stem from the narcissist's self-absorption and over-exaggerated sense of self-worth. People with narcissistic personality disorder are quite willing to take advantage of, manipulate, or lie to others to achieve their own desires and gratification. When a narcissist values a person, it is only because that person has something to offer. Narcissism reduces other people to the status of servants or useful tools.
(Sounds like anyone you Know?) I bet it does..
Common symptoms include:
* a lack of feeling, empathy, or concern for others
- Kate did throw Jon, Jodi, Kevin, Beth and her own parents under the bus.
- Shopping for bunk beds. Colin(?) was in pain. He cried for her, but she was too busy.
- Farm to Table. Cara was in pain. Kate ignored it. Then sent Cara off with a babysitter to go to the doctor. Then she had to go to the hospital. Kate said, "we don't have time for a cast do we Cara?". Cara looked at Kate in FEAR and nodded in agreement.
- When Kate had to pull Jon's staples out of his head, Kate was laughing the entire time. This after suggesting Jon to get hair implants because she wanted the family to look picture perfect. Since Jon didn't fit this picture. She got Steve to fill the roll. Dressed him in matching outfits etc. etc. All for "image".
* a willingness to take advantage of others
- Kate took advantage of Jodi, Kevin, Beth and even Jon.
- Steve, hold my purse.
- Took advantage of Church members across the States.
- Tried to take advantage of Tax Payers by claiming she needed those nurses and that the State should bend-over because she has 8 kids.
* excessive feelings of self-importance
- I'm Kate Gosselin, I have 8 kids. Don't you get it? Boo hoo. Wahh wahh. Should of thought of that before you went in for a 2nd fertility treatment. You even changed doctors because your original doctor REFUSED to go along with your scam. You even had a chance to adopt a Korean baby, but instead, insisted on taking fertility treatments to try for just one more. Right...
* exaggerated personal achievements and abilities
- I wrote this book, I cooked, I cleaned I watched the kids, Everything I do is for the kids.
- I change this many diapers a day. Actually Kate, it was Jon.
- I dress them every morning. LOL right. You can't even tie their shoes and demanded they buy Velcro shoes.
* an expectation to be seen as superior without cause
- I have 8 kids, I'm better than you. (Farm to Table where Henry's tells Kate he has a new born baby. Kate ask, how many do you have now? Henry replies, "I now have 7". Kate then plays it off says, "oh, you only have 7". I have 8. Instead of "congratulating" Henry on his new born baby, Kate detracts to make sure the attention is on her.
- My hair is wanted by all. Yeah, ok.
- My kids deserves life serve to them on a Golden platter. Not silver platter, GOLDEN.
- I eat only organic food. Sorry Kate, but the crap you ate at Disneyland, theme-parks, and so on, isn't Organic.
* a fantasy or is preoccupation with power, wealth, beauty, personal abilities, or success
- Did you watch "My" show? I'm all about Organic food. My cookbook is out. I got a new hairdo, it cost 7k. Look at my boob job. I'm going to walk around the front yard in my bathing suit, even though I look like a walrus.
- My next victim better be making 100k or more.
- Jon stole all my money, I have no more cash. Anyways, I'm looking at a new ring. It has 8 diamonds and a mother of pearl. Oops, did I say that out loud.
* a demand for favorable treatment without appropriate reasons
- I have 8 kids, the city should pay for the extended services for my personal nurses. Before we go to your store, your theater, restaurant, or whatever, you must EMPTY out your location from simple civilians who have no business to be near my presence.
* an insistence on being the object of admiration and attention.
- Just watch J&K Season 1-5. Kate always wanted to be the center of attention. Remember the Kids gymnastic scene? She demanded to be on camera with the kids instead of waiting in the "waiting area". She's always talking to the camera while Jon is putting furniture together, playing with the kids, etc etc.
Remember the trip to Butterfly world? Yeah, how inappropriate of Kate to expose her nasty boobs.
When a narcissist values a person, it is only because that person has something to offer.
* Jon had the Asian gene
* Kevin and Jodi offered free baby sitting services
* Beth Carson wrote Multiple Blessings and even watched the kids
* Kate's parent and Church offered free clothes, cribs, and a Van. It still wasn't good enough.
* The puppies were cute! Then they got big and older. The show was off the air. Guess what? They are no longer needed.
Narcissistic Treatment
Narcissism treatment must overcome a number of challenges. People with narcissistic personality disorder often resist treatment; their self-concept refuses to accept that their narcissism is abnormal, and they consider mental treatment "beneath them," or "demeaning" and they adopt adversarial attitudes towards mental professionals.
* Kate did refuse marriage counseling or any therapy for that matter. She is Perfect and does no wrong according to the sheeple.
* Are Kate supporters Narcissistic themselves?
So, is Kate Irene Kreider a narcissist?
I have my opinion. The posts above lists the symptoms and characteristics of a narcissist. I provided a few points for each symptoms and a few examples. So it up to you think about it, and form your own opinion. But the obvious is pretty clear.
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Remember, having a few of the symptoms doesn't make you narcissist. Having all the symptoms makes you a Kate Gosselin. I mean, a narcissist.
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Another good read.
http://preesi.lefora.com/2010/01/28/what-if-the-kids-read-your-posts-arent-you-hurting/?vm=2#post2
The more you know.
Great work, Jibber Jabbers!
It makes it pretty obvious, doesn't it? It is curious why some deny that this describes Kate to a T and will defend her behavior with their last breath. I do wish the children could be taken out of the line of fire temporarily, until this all blows over. Hopefully the nanny is still on duty most of the time.
Yes, thank God for the nannies. Not sure how many Nannies Kate chased away, fired etc etc. Haven't seen the Asian Nanny since Kate went thru her hair swap.
Kate can have her new show. Not sure how successful it will be but the more time away from her kids the better the kids are off.
Maybe once her new show fails, it'll be a huge wake-up call for Kate Gosselin.
I recognized a lot of your traits JJ. Maybe you should seek some help for you narcissist behavior.
OMG, I enjoyed posting and reading here. After reading that rant you really need professional help!!! Soon!!! I am no fan of Kate's but that is way over the top. Full of jealous hate. Seriously get help.
It was just a question, Is Kate a narcissist?
And I provided a little example for each point.
Do narcissistic individuals protect their own kind.
I think you can answer that question better than us.
Great job Jibber Jabbers.
jibberjabbers,
You NAILED the definition spot on! The most succinct description of Kate that I have seen.
I also want to thank-you for the awesome video of Jon with the kids--It was delightful and brought a huge smile to my face and a tear too.
I also remember the episode when they installed the solar panels on the roof of the McMansion. How ungrateful, ungracious and rude was she toward the people doing the install? And how about how she treated the organizer who worked so hard on the basement. And way back when their first home was redecorated she made it clear she hated it (granted some of the decor was pretty ugly, but the least she could have done was be polite. People worked hard, out of the kindness of their hearts for the family. All Kate could do was pout and sneer.)
Lets face it, Kate is a nasty woman who has no manners and no gratitude for anything anyone does for her. She feels she is owed all this stuff.
What I would like to see is Kate kicked out of the McMansion and have it provide a home for the real heroes in our world, like wounded Service people and their families. They are the ones who deserve all the perks that have been wasted on this cow.
Hi JJ,
Yes, I believe, Katie Irene Kreider Gosselin is a narcissist. Good job on the research.
Let's hope the nannies are still there. Over on Z's, I asked a fellow poster if they thought someone would report Kate if she were abusing the kids. Who would? The nanny, who needs her job? The teacher who probably would not see bruises, if there were any? Would Kate take one of her children to the Dr. if there were bruises or just reschedule? I think she would hide the evidence. JMO.
no noone would turn in kate if she was abusing the kids. They would be at risk of a lawsuit if the did because anyone who comes near any of the Gosselin's has to sign a confidentiality agreement; meaning they can't talk.and on top of being sued they would also probably lose their job. have to say jj you hit the nail right on the head. when you see all the examples a narcissist is exactly what kate is. really hope that her kids can survive growing up with that for a mom. good thing she is gone often.
Blah!blah!blah,blah,blah,blah,blah...Who with th children day in and day out?? go figure who the better parent..It not Jon b/c he living off of his rooster peck girlfriends....Blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah and blah.....
Blah,blah,blah Kate not a nasty woman.. Blah,blah,kate a wonderful "MOM". Blah,blah,blah,it kate home however she wants it decorated..Blah,blah,blah ,Kate the winner & dwarf face JON is a LOSER......
Anonymous said...
no noone would turn in kate if she was abusing the kids. They would be at risk of a lawsuit if the did because anyone who comes near any of the Gosselin's has to sign a confidentiality agreement; meaning they can't talk.and on top of being sued they would also probably lose their job.
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Oh please. The Gosselin children go to school. Their teachers and other school personnel are mandated reporters. If they are in therapy, their therapist is a mandated reporter also. It is simply untrue that the children are never around people who can/would report child abuse.
HUM!HUM!Jon/Kate are DIVORCE..Really,why keep kicking a mom down that taking care of 8 children when their dad living off his rooster peck girlfriends?JJ is this all about Jon/Kate? it over with Jon/Kate..Jon the loser here & Kate the winner.JJ is it the attention u are getting that keep u going ? JJ are u JON mom? b/c only a mom would defend her son like u are doing here.. Just asking....Blah,blah,blah,blah and blah that my name....
Blah,blah,blah,JJ u put in a lot of work defending JON I hope u are paid for the lot of work,and if not, what a shame.Kate not going to change..Jon not going to change.Maybe your family needs to contact the show where families try to get a family member into a INTERVENTION THERAPY.JJ take a vacation..Jon/Kate just like a lot of people, going their seperate ways... Bla,blah,blah,blah,and blah....
Anonymous,
Why don't you live your life and leave this blog owner alone. You don't like it, don't watch.
JON IS THE BETTER PARENT!!
He could be a felon with a harem of girlfriends and he'd STILL BE A BETTER parent than Kate.
Hey Anonymous, does TLC pay you to go all over the boards to defend their cash cow?
JJ and other are concerned for the kids. YOU don't see that, fine, but don't waste your time shaking a finger at her when all you do is spend time chasing "haters" and telling them that they are wrong.
Go read a book. You'll be safer in your own head.
I really wonder about the mental stability of anonymous. Truely. It is such inappropriate behavior! Is anonymous an adult??? If so, then that is plenty strange. Very disturbed person.
That last post listed as anonymous, talking about disturbed anonymous was me, I screwed up what to select! I agree that no one would turn in Kate and that's swhy when she blatently abuses in PUBLIC--you have to really wonder the extent of abusive behavior that she displays behind closed doors. Very very scarey!
We are able to see right thru Kate. She isn't the person she claims to be. Most of you Kate supporters are late comers. You jumped in the J&K Bandwagon when the tabloids started spreading rumors and when Skanktoro started doing paid interviews for Kaydar.
Again, fairytale. The truth is Kate left Jon in Oct 2008. Kate has a long history of throwing people under the bus.
She was very abusive on TV and even out on public, yet you still defend her.
No matter what she does, the sheeple have an excuse for it.
No one is perfect. And I'm sorry to tell you, that the Kate you think you know, isn't the real Kate.
I'm pretty sure TLC staff, neighbors, and people who have met Kate have nothing nice to say about her. Oh wait, I have a video. LOL
A couple of stalkers talking about Jon and Kate at the mcMansion.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xatnew_kate-gosseln-denies-a-little-girl-a_people
No one is perfect. And I'm sorry to tell you, that the Kate you think you know, isn't the real Kate.
The above is a quote from you JJ. Heed your own advice. The Kate you think you know, isn't the real Kate.
When the children grow up and read these ugly comments all over the internet all it will do is make the children despise you and the rest of them.
She is their mother and they will always love and defend her.
Jon is their father and they will always love and defend him.
Even if someone has signed a confidentiality contract they must report abuse. They can't be fired for doing so. There are whistleblower laws to protect people.
Even if they were fired they would have one heck of a lawsuit against TLC.
JJ it is not healthy to hate on someone so much. Are you teaching your young child to hate also?
Take some advice from me. I have 3grown children. Small ones pick up on their parents vibes. You may not be saying these nasty things in front of your child but they definitely pick up your negative vibe.
You have a job and you spend so much time doing all these videos and graphics and researching, when do you spend time with your child???
Diane said...
Hi JJ,
Yes, I believe, Katie Irene Kreider Gosselin is a narcissist. Good job on the research.
Let's hope the nannies are still there. Over on Z's, I asked a fellow poster if they thought someone would report Kate if she were abusing the kids. Who would? The nanny, who needs her job? The teacher who probably would not see bruises, if there were any? Would Kate take one of her children to the Dr. if there were bruises or just reschedule? I think she would hide the evidence. JMO.
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Since none of you seem to get it.
IF you all seem to think that the kids are being physically abused. Why hasn't Jon reported her. Why hasn't that crackerjack lawyer Heller bring the allegeded abuse into court? Why hasn't Saint Aunt Jodie ever file a complaint?
BECAUSE KATE ISN'T ABUSING THE KIDS.
Blah,blah,blah,blah,I'm about as crazy as the ones that hate kate..Blah,blah blah,blah, we all need to read a book at least kate wrote a book ..Have dwarf face Jon wrote a book?OH! he might write on a napkin about his rooster peck girlfriends& then wipe his stinky fat butt with it.....Blah,blah,blah,blah
Hi Sage,
I'm really glad that you are certain that Kate is not abusing her children. I wish I could be. I really do.
I just think that Kate likes to be in control. I understand that. And, when she can not control the situation....she loses it. I understand that, too.
I just think that things are out of Kate's control right now. We have seen Kate lose control on their show numerous times. She can be scary, IMO.
Right now, Kate has that huge house, that she wanted to have. It comes with a considerable amount of debt, upkeep, etc. She has no job and no real income. That has to be scary for her.
Personally, I think she was foolish to but that house. She had to know her marriage was on the rocks when they bought it. Did she really think she could keep everything (the kids, the house, the show, the money) and just cut Jon out of it? Because, it seems like she did think that. And, if she did...I'll say, I think she was foolish.
Kate waiting all this time to find a therapist for her children does not make her look like a good mother or an attentive one, IMO.
I do not trust Kate. I would not be surprised to find out that she is cruel to her children or that she is abusive. She was abusive to Jon on a regular basis.
I do not think Kate would allow anyone to be around her children that could tell or did not sign a confidentiality agreement. JMO.
Have a good day, Sage.
Nice post Diane@10:08.
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Abuse is not limited to physical harm. Kids are effected by what goes on in their homes. Jon was abused by Kate and I don't think the kids were immune from any of it because they had to live with it.
I have no doubt in my mind that Kate has or will be emotionally abusive to the kids.
Lauren said...
Nice post Diane@10:08.
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Abuse is not limited to physical harm. Kids are effected by what goes on in their homes. Jon was abused by Kate and I don't think the kids were immune from any of it because they had to live with it.
I have no doubt in my mind that Kate has or will be emotionally abusive to the kids.
January 30, 2010 10:34 AM
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I agree, emotional abuse can be just as bad it not worse than physical abuse. But, Jon is not without blame here either. He went on National TV and said he despised their mother. While separated and not divorced he jumped from one girls bed to the other. He has done numerous deeds to disrespect Kate and what was once a 10 marriage. Don't think for a minute that won't have an impact on them.
Like the kids would know what "despise" meant. Nothing compared to the 9+ years of physical and emotional abuse Jon went thru with Kate.
If you're going to say that one comment from Jon would affect the kids, then why won't you admit the treatment Jon went thru would also do some damage to the kids?
The kids witnessed countless and countless of emotional abuse Jon received from Kate. Heck, the last episode, where Kate flipped out on Jon over the word "Korea". And Mady was there trying to protect Jon from Kate, that tells you a lot.
Not to mention the many slaps Kate gave to Jon over the years. The kids will grow up thinking its normal for a woman to slap a man like that.
What if they met a mean that wasn't as weak as Jon? And the man was physical abusive to them. They would think it "normal" because Kate did it to Jon.
I am not a hater. A hater would be those idiots on kaydar who have no clue what they're talking about. The only thing they can say is a bunch of repeated lies about Jon or how fat he is.
You can describe Kate Gosselin with one word -- demanding, irritable, hostile, having a short attention span, exploitative, manipulative, hedonistic and grandiose -- or you can describe her with many -- bipolar.
With all due respect, love, Kate is somewhere in the bipolar spectrum.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/29359.php
jibberjabbers said...
Like the kids would know what "despise" meant. Nothing compared to the 9+ years of physical and emotional abuse Jon went thru with Kate.
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If you don't think a 9 year old dosn't know what despise means then you don't know kids very well.
I just hope the kids will be able to digest Jon on tv crying about how he lost his 20's(ad nauseum)becouse of them.
You say you are not a hater!! My God, do you even look at this site! The people on ROL don't even come close to the venom you and other "child advocate" sites spew about Kate.
sage said...
You say you are not a hater!! My God, do you even look at this site!...
I can't understand why Kate-Fans are so worried about it. Kate isn't! She knows that people have contempt and hate for her -- that's why she got a bodyguard. She said so. Then again, there's always someone somewhere who has a bigger bodyguard. I would not mind seeing such a person go up to Kate, and bust her in the mouth for her bullying little 5 yr. old kids.
Kate is an idiot and a troublemaker. You Kate-Fans should stop concerning themselves so much with Jon -- oh, and Kevin and Jodi and Julie -- and start hoping that all of Kate's kids care about her feelings when they are adults. As for me, I look forward to at least one of them throwing her under the bus for allowing J&K+8 to continue as their parents' marriage imploded.
A small sampling from ROL comments. The venom isn't limited to Kate:
yuck,,,,,,,, exactly what would she see in a fat, balding man with 8 children and no job. its obvious she wants to be famous and have her pics taken
by HereKittyKitty
Posted Fri, 01/29/2010 - 5:18pm
The most inportant thing is, Kate got the home /the children....Thank goodness the children not around the dwarf face Jon and his rooster peck girlfriends..
by starlight
Posted Fri, 01/29/2010 - 9:18am
Wonder which she finds most attractive: the huge pimples, greasy hair, bulging eyes, enormous bald spot, fat gut, laziness, dumb expression, truth impairment, financial troubles, legal mess, romantic track record, future prospects, associations....?
by by loosers
Posted Thu, 01/28/2010 - 5:53pm
Okay HB! The tremendous ego, misogynistic attitude, chain smoking, alchohol abuse, drug use, lack of responsibility, horrible parenting skills, meanspiritedness, filthy clothes, horrendous personal hygiene , immaturity, stupidity, gullibility...
by by loosers
Posted Thu, 01/28/2010 - 6:06pm
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html
While researching what the hell was wrong with a relative (and her children) that came back to the area after 20 years, I came across this--it explained a lot. The behaviors of narcissism jump like fleas from a dog, which is why you see Jon acting this way too. But, I don't think he is a true one. Kate--oh yeah, God help the children. I still would like to know, what/why did Kevin always take the blame for Katie when they were growing up and she seemed stunned that he was no longer willing to do it?
(Love to see a true gritty journalist like Ann Rule do a profile on this woman, she'd start at Jon and Kate's childhoods' and pick those scabs.)
OrderlyL said...
sage said...
You say you are not a hater!! My God, do you even look at this site!...
I can't understand why Kate-Fans are so worried about it. Kate isn't! She knows that people have contempt and hate for her -- that's why she got a bodyguard. She said so. Then again, there's always someone somewhere who has a bigger bodyguard. I would not mind seeing such a person go up to Kate, and bust her in the mouth for her bullying little 5 yr. old kids.
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I love how you're so "worried" about 5 year-olds but think it's perfectly okay to devote entire blogs to hate-filled rants about their mother, including the blog owner fantasizing about them becoming wards of the state as their mother is carted off to a mental institution. Yep, it will be just great for those kids when they get to read this stuff themselves or have it repeated to them at school. Nice job, child "advocates."
former j/k8viewerawaken said...
http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html
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Good read! Kate does act like a 6yo at times.
Not Anonymous said...
"I love how you're so "worried" about 5 year-olds but think it's perfectly okay to devote entire blogs to hate-filled rants about their mother...Yep, it will be just great for those kids when they get to read this stuff themselves or have it repeated to them at school. Nice job, child "advocates."
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You can bet that their 'mates at private school are not allowed to say a thing. But perhaps one day the Gosselin kids will read this:
When Kate Gosselin came to know that people had contempt and hate for her, her solution was to hire a bodyguard. God forbid she would try to become a better person! As usual, the trouble lay not within Kate, but with the viewers who disapproved of her behavior. In effect, she disrespected them all. And here her fan, "not anonymous", did the same thing -- disrespected me and others like me who are outraged about Kate's behavior and say so.
I pray for you Gosselins to know that all those times Kate disrespected you, it was about her INTERNAL fears and anxieties and tension and conflict. Even though she tried to make you responsible for it, you weren't -- there was nothing wrong with YOU. And if, by some miracle it finally occurred to her to do something about herself, then rejoice and celebrate!
Blab,blab,blab,blab,and blab.. Who got the children? Who tucks them in bed every night? Who around the children to see them off to school? Wo takes them to the doctor for their check-ups& when they are sick?Blab,blab,It Not their so-called DAD....All Jon is doing living off his rooster peck girlfriends& picking up freebies...Why don't Jon get a JOB? he never to famous to find a job,plus,he could get his old job back..Blab,blab,&blab.....
OrderlyL said...
Not Anonymous said...
"I love how you're so "worried" about 5 year-olds but think it's perfectly okay to devote entire blogs to hate-filled rants about their mother...Yep, it will be just great for those kids when they get to read this stuff themselves or have it repeated to them at school. Nice job, child "advocates."
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You can bet that their 'mates at private school are not allowed to say a thing. But perhaps one day the Gosselin kids will read this:
When Kate Gosselin came to know that people had contempt and hate for her, her solution was to hire a bodyguard. God forbid she would try to become a better person! As usual, the trouble lay not within Kate, but with the viewers who disapproved of her behavior. In effect, she disrespected them all. And here her fan, "not anonymous", did the same thing -- disrespected me and others like me who are outraged about Kate's behavior and say so.
I pray for you Gosselins to know that all those times Kate disrespected you, it was about her INTERNAL fears and anxieties and tension and conflict. Even though she tried to make you responsible for it, you weren't -- there was nothing wrong with YOU. And if, by some miracle it finally occurred to her to do something about herself, then rejoice and celebrate!
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I would hope the children are told not to say things to the Gosselin children, something you appear to find objectionable by the snide tone of your comment. However, shocking as it may be to you, children do not always do what they are told.
You feel "disrespected" because Kate hired a bodyguard?!? You do realize that many, many famous people have bodyguards, don't you? It doesn't mean that they are "bad" people. It means that there are plenty of crazy ass people out there, as this blog, GWOP, etc. clearly show. Does the name John Lennon ring a bell? How about Rebecca Schaefer? I guess they were terrible people since they were murdered by strangers due to their celebrity status. You might want to take a look here to see a gallery of all the famous folk who have been stalked: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/celebrity/Celebrities_Whove_Been_Stalked.html.
itsaboutthekids said...
A small sampling from ROL comments. The venom
If he wants Kate to look bad he should go for a makeover and look better than her. He should go to court and tell them what a abuser Kate is. He should demand that he live in the house with the kids. All the proof is on these sites and in the magazines.
Anybody who is sane can see Jon is the only one who cares about the kids. He could move Jodie and Kevin into the mansion with him. They could write a book together about Kates mental illness. They would all be rich. Get a restraining order against Kate so she cant see the kids.
Anonymous said...
If he wants Kate to look bad he should go for a makeover and look better than her. He should go to court and tell them what a abuser Kate is. He should demand that he live in the house with the kids. All the proof is on these sites and in the magazines.
Anybody who is sane can see Jon is the only one who cares about the kids. He could move Jodie and Kevin into the mansion with him. They could write a book together about Kates mental illness. They would all be rich. Get a restraining order against Kate so she cant see the kids.
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Yeah, Jon should get his very own makeover. That will show Kate! Are you twelve?
It's nice to hear from yet another child "advocate" who has the best interest of the children in mind. Yep, it would be great for the kids to be banned from seeing their mother and to have their father "get rich" by writing a nasty book about her. And that's a brilliant idea to move Kevin and Jodi, who of course also love to make $ by airing their family's dirty laundry, into the "mansion." Don't they have 4-5 kids themselves? Exactly where would you put all those people, or did you not think that through in your little "this will serve that evil Kate right" fantasy?
Not Anonymous said...
"However, shocking as it may be to you, children do not always do what they are told."
Perhaps Kate could press on their mouths. Now, the following was a funny straw-man argument. First, construct the straw-man -- a caricatured version of my argument:
"...You feel "disrespected" because Kate hired a bodyguard?!?"
And then knock the straw-man down, and kick it around:
"...You do realize that many, many famous people have bodyguards, don't you? It doesn't mean that they are "bad" people. It means that there are plenty of crazy ass people out there..."
Congratulations, you have won your argument!
Look, Kate announced that people have contempt and hate for her. She knows. She can prepare her children. She's a practical person; she has said that she turned tabloids around in their supermarket racks. She could tell her children not to read the internet. To put it bluntly, it's not my problem. It was nice to have made your acquaintance. Be off, now. I have a calendar to attend to.
Laughing at Jon's "horrendous hygiene" -- how the hell would anybody know if Jon has "smells"
or not?
As far as being "fat." PUH leeze. I'm in love with a fat man. Jon Gosselin is far from fat.
OrderlyL said...
Not Anonymous said...
"However, shocking as it may be to you, children do not always do what they are told."
Perhaps Kate could press on their mouths. Now, the following was a funny straw-man argument. First, construct the straw-man -- a caricatured version of my argument:
"...You feel "disrespected" because Kate hired a bodyguard?!?"
And then knock the straw-man down, and kick it around:
"...You do realize that many, many famous people have bodyguards, don't you? It doesn't mean that they are "bad" people. It means that there are plenty of crazy ass people out there..."
Congratulations, you have won your argument!
Look, Kate announced that people have contempt and hate for her. She knows. She can prepare her children. She's a practical person; she has said that she turned tabloids around in their supermarket racks. She could tell her children not to read the internet. To put it bluntly, it's not my problem. It was nice to have made your acquaintance. Be off, now. I have a calendar to attend to.
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It's not a straw man argument. You are the one who made the claim that Kate wouldn't need a body guard if she were a "better" person. It was a naive, stupid and ridiculous assertion that is not borne out by reality, but then again an understanding of reality is not a hallmark of posters here.
I'm curious how you "prepare" five year-olds to understand that complete strangers hate Mommy (or Daddy, for that matter.) Are you a child psychologist? Do you have a protocol you can recommend? Maybe you can find some good advice on Google since I suspect your diagnosis of Kate as bipolar was made using your Google degree as well.
You're right that it isn't your problem, but that doesn't make it okay. I just hope you're not one of the self-righteous jackasses claiming to be a child "advocate" since your lack of compassion is quite evident.
Does Kate even have a bodyguard now?
The last time I remember seeing Stevie was at Christmas when there were photos of he and his family arriving at the konpound. But he could have been around after that. Was he around during the hair extensions?
Nope, from the video and pictures, Steve was not around during Kate's hair-over.
Did Kate throw Steve under the bus too?
If he was being paid by TLC if wonder if they've cut him out of the picture? I can't imagine that Kate would part with that much money for hired help. And then again, perhaps Mrs. Stevie got fed up and he quit. So many possibilities.
itsaboutthekids said...
If he was being paid by TLC if wonder if they've cut him out of the picture? I can't imagine that Kate would part with that much money for hired help. And then again, perhaps Mrs. Stevie got fed up and he quit. So many possibilities.
January 31, 2010 2:36 PM
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Kate is home with the kids all the time. She dosn't normaly have a bodyguard when at home. Only when traveling.
Not Anonymous said
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Love your posts, well thought out and speak the truth. Rare on this site!
LOL, "speaks the truth". haha So everything he or she says that "fits" your agenda is the truth.
No wonder you everything you claim is sourced to "Kaydar".
Blab,blab,blab..The RN that over the Nurses at the hospital in FLA. she just like KATE GOSSELIN..Her children turned out great.One turned out to be a lawyer,one turned out to be a doctor,one turned out to be A RN.Children are resilience,and if Kate was abusing the children they would tell someone at their school don't think they aren't questioned at school...The Gosselin children are going to grow up knowing responsibilities,unlike their dad knows....
Kate is home with the kids all the time. She dosn't normaly have a bodyguard when at home. Only when traveling.
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When Jon is home with the kids Kate is not. She is away somewhere. However I've not seen her in the news much lately except at the bus stop. I don't believe Steve was in the photos there recently but he has been seen there in the past (at the bus stop).
So the question remains, does Kate have a body guard now or not? I don't know.
Anonymous said...
Blab,blab,blab..The RN that over the Nurses at the hospital in FLA. she just like KATE GOSSELIN..Her children turned out great.One turned out to be a lawyer,one turned out to be a doctor,one turned out to be A RN.Children are resilience,and if Kate was abusing the children they would tell someone at their school don't think they aren't questioned at school...The Gosselin children are going to grow up knowing responsibilities,unlike their dad knows....
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Just curious, what do all the blab, blab, blabs mean in your comments?
Blab,blab,blab..My favorite show on Animal Planet, called the Pit Boss..The guy Ronald talks & looks like Jon Gosselin..I like little people,Ronald a little person,plus I'm not making fun Of Jon..I believe Jon semi-little person b/c his hands& feet are the size of little people,plus the shape of his head...Now I don't hate JON as a person I know it hideous the way he living his life,and the shame he bring to his children..Kate got her ways but she discreet if she dating which I doubt with 8 children & no dad to help ,it would be hard to date..If Kate dates there nothing wrong w/it b/c she did wait after the divorce..I believe if JON would clean his slate up people would look different toward him,but it not going to happen as long as he is sloth ,plus, picking up young girls that he can live off of...
anon says:
if Kate was abusing the children they would tell someone at their school
Not all kids who live with abusive parents tell their teachers.
Back to Narcissism, are any of you Kate supporters willing to admit that Kate is a narcissist?
Anon, Kate left Jon in Oct 2008. They were still married when Jon dated Hailey.. So what?
Kate and Jon had an agreement that they will continue to "fake" their marriage for the show.
Kate finally filed for divorce AFTER TLC approached Kate with a new show. Kate plus 8. Everything she does, isn't for the kids. She does things for her own self interests.
She is a narcissist. Kate refused marriage counseling. That tells you a lot.
Kate had 2 choices.
1) Go to marriage counseling and try to save the marriage for the kids.
2) Kate plus 8.
Which did Kate choose? LOL
jibberjabbers said...
LOL, "speaks the truth". haha So everything he or she says that "fits" your agenda is the truth.
No wonder you everything you claim is sourced to "Kaydar".
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I don't have just have "Kaydar". I also have my ouji board. LOL
sage said...
I don't have just have "Kaydar". I also have my ouji board. LOL
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It all makes sense now. No wonder your comments seems so much out there.
jibberjabbers said...
Anon, Kate left Jon in Oct 2008. They were still married when Jon dated Hailey.. So what?
Kate and Jon had an agreement that they will continue to "fake" their marriage for the show.
Kate finally filed for divorce AFTER TLC
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Who is your source. Jon?
Source:
Kate her Story: Kate claims the marriage was officially over sometime last year. Kate claims it was a "mutual decision".
Kate her Story aired: November 2008.
Sometime last year: = Oct - Nov 2008.
Go watch the show if you don't believe it. If I am wrong, I am willing to pay you 1,000 cash via paypal.
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Jon on Larry King Live:
Kate left me on Oct 2008.
jibberjabbers said...
sage said...
I don't have just have "Kaydar". I also have my ouji board. LOL
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It all makes sense now. No wonder your comments seems so much out there.
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LOL. Mine are out there. Weren't you the one warning Jon to watch out that Kate and TLC were going to murder him?
Here a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4okQKyH6M
1st scene: Jon says Kate left him.
2nd scene: Kate fake tears and says "there was a discussion sometime last year, it was a very mutually agreed upon decision.".
Proving Kate fans are stupid. Kate says it herself, and the sheeple still refused to believe it.
LOL. Mine are out there. Weren't you the one warning Jon to watch out that Kate and TLC were going to murder him?
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TLC and Kate is out to get him. The 10k a month child support, Media ban on Jon, his apartment was ransacked.
Someone is after Jon. Either Kate or TLC.
jibberjabbers said...
Anon, Kate left Jon in Oct 2008. They were still married when Jon dated Hailey.. So what?
Kate and Jon had an agreement that they will continue to "fake" their marriage for the show.
Kate finally filed for divorce AFTER TLC approached Kate with a new show. Kate plus 8. Everything she does, isn't for the kids. She does things for her own self interests.
She is a narcissist. Kate refused marriage counseling. That tells you a lot.
Kate had 2 choices.
1) Go to marriage counseling and try to save the marriage for the kids.
2) Kate plus 8.
Which did Kate choose? LOL
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Kate said nothing about having an agreement to "fake thier marriage.
Kate said nothing about TLC offering her the show Kate plus 8 before she filed for divorce. They offered it too her after.
You don't have to pay me. I don't have a tip jar on my site. Oh, did you ever take yours down. You wanted me to put a penny in it first remember?
jibberjabbers said...
Here a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4okQKyH6M
1st scene: Jon says Kate left him.
2nd scene: Kate fake tears and says "there was a discussion sometime last year, it was a very mutually agreed upon decision.".
Proving Kate fans are stupid. Kate says it herself, and the sheeple still refused to believe it.
January 31, 2010 6:15 PM
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All Kate is saying is that it was a mutual agreement to separate. So what? I have said many times that I don't blame her for ending it. If it were me, I would have done it much sooner.
jibberjabbers said...
LOL. Mine are out there. Weren't you the one warning Jon to watch out that Kate and TLC were going to murder him?
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TLC and Kate is out to get him. The 10k a month child support, Media ban on Jon, his apartment was ransacked.
Someone is after Jon. Either Kate or TLC.
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Jon does more damage to himself than TLC or Kate could ever do.
Noone is after Jon other than his previous girlfriends (but thats another issue).
The court is the one who determined how much child support Jon has to pay. Not Kate or TLC.
The court ordered Jon's silence in a preliminary injunction upon evidence TLC produced of Jon breaking his contract with them. Not Kate or TLC.
The ransacking of Jon's apt. Only Hailey and Jon had access to it. Not Kate or TLC.
You don't see the scam here? She ended it on Oct 2008 and the show continued. She didn't tell anyone. Jon was told to "pretend" they were still married.
It was all for the show. Not for the kids.
You would have ended it earlier? For what? What did Jon do exactly that cause Kate to leave him on Oct 2008.
I think you got the situation mixed up.
If I were Jon, yes, I would have LEFT A LONG, LONG, LONG time ago.
Kate on the other hand came out the winner. She got a guy "Jon", who served to her hand and foot.
Took care of the kids while she was busy "promoting" herself.
Jon was basically a slave to her. Good luck finding someone else would was willing to be a servant.
Kate was lucky she found Jon. Seriously. She had it easy.
Kate even admitted that she missed having Jon at the "driver" seat.
Kate is going to be single for a long time.
The only reason the "sham" came to an end is because the paps caught Jon with Deanna Hummel at 2am. AT the time, Kate was at a book signing in California. She walked out of that book signing because she was "bored."
That's when the poop hit the fan.
She went on her "Woe is Me" tour part one and said, "I tend not to believe it."
She and Jon had been apart for months at this point but she still let the media and fans believe that he's out messing around while she's struggling to work for the family. Struggling in 5 star hotels with adjoining rooms with her bodyguard.
What about the fake Hawaii wedding? That entire thing is a cruel "memory" for the kids.
She looked them all point blank in the face and said, "mommy and daddy will be together forever."
She's such a freaking liar.
Not Anonymous said...
"It's not a straw man argument. You are the one who made the claim that Kate wouldn't need a body guard if she were a "better" person."
Yes it is. And you're doing it again!
"You're right that it isn't your problem..."
Indeed.
"...but that doesn't make it okay."
Now you're just being redundant.
"I just hope you're not one of the self-righteous jackasses claiming to be a child "advocate" since your lack of compassion is quite evident."
I can see that you desperately want to win a point. Here's what I can do. I can let you win a point for $150, $50 off what I normally charge Kate Fans. That's as compassionate as I'm going to get...I take PayPal.
Blogger OrderlyL said...
I can see that you desperately want to win a point. Here's what I can do. I can let you win a point for $150, $50 off what I normally charge Kate Fans. That's as compassionate as I'm going to get...I take PayPal.
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Since you can't actually argue the merits of your inane claim, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you had to resort to condescension and sarcasm.
FYI...I'm not a Kate "fan" per se. I simply find it incomprehensible and scary that people have made an obsessive hobby out of hating a complete stranger they only "know" through the magic of television. I shudder to think what some of you do to people in your actual lives that you don't like.
Not Anonymous said...
"Since you can't actually argue the merits of your inane claim..."
The only arguments you gave were straw-man arguments. And then, you made the assertion that I was right, but that doesn't make it ok. I can argue that. My argument is that I don't need your permission.
"...I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you had to resort to condescension and sarcasm."
You would do well to go back and re-read your posts.
"FYI...I'm not a Kate "fan" per se. I simply find it incomprehensible and scary that people have made an obsessive hobby out of hating a complete stranger they only "know" through the magic of television. I shudder to think what some of you do to people in your actual lives that you don't like."
And yet you are here, in the line of fire...Even online, there must be some site somewhere where people hate on people in their actual lives. I maintain that you are a Kate Fan.
Hate Kate site? LOL...
Why don't you go to some of those "Hate Jon sites".. It is NOTHING compared to this site.
You have idiots wishing death on Jon, you also have a bunch of idiots using a lot of profanity and 3rd grammar.
Exposing Kate "lies" or "deception" does not equal Hate.
So what if we make fun of hair? It cost 7k and it looks like trash.
OrderlyL said...
Not Anonymous said...
"Since you can't actually argue the merits of your inane claim..."
The only arguments you gave were straw-man arguments. And then, you made the assertion that I was right, but that doesn't make it ok. I can argue that. My argument is that I don't need your permission.
"...I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you had to resort to condescension and sarcasm."
You would do well to go back and re-read your posts.
"FYI...I'm not a Kate "fan" per se. I simply find it incomprehensible and scary that people have made an obsessive hobby out of hating a complete stranger they only "know" through the magic of television. I shudder to think what some of you do to people in your actual lives that you don't like."
And yet you are here, in the line of fire...Even online, there must be some site somewhere where people hate on people in their actual lives. I maintain that you are a Kate Fan.
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"In the line of fire?!?" You're assuming that I give a shit what strangers in cyberspace think about me and my opinions. You assume wrong.
You can "maintain" whatever you'd like. It doesn't make it truth, despite the the prevailing wisdom here that truth and perception are one and the same. You can't actually back up your assertion, of course, since I haven't said anything either positive or negative about Kate here.
jibberjabbers said...
Hate Kate site? LOL...
Why don't you go to some of those "Hate Jon sites".. It is NOTHING compared to this site.
Exposing Kate "lies" or "deception" does not equal Hate.
So what if we make fun of hair? It cost 7k and it looks like trash.
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Hate Kate site? LOL...
Why don't you go to some of those "Hate Jon sites".. It is NOTHING compared to this site.
You have idiots wishing death on Jon, you also have a bunch of idiots using a lot of profanity and 3rd grammar.
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I believe you meant that this site is nothing compared to the "Hate Jon" sites, unless of course you intended to admit that your site is worse. If you're going to make fun of the grammar at those sites, you might want to be sure that you are expressing yourself flawlessly.
You won't find me defending anyone who says that Jon should be killed, but the "well, they're worse than I am" defense really doesn't fly. You are responsible for the content of your site, irrespective of what others post elsewhere. You do far, far more than make fun of her hair. For goodness sakes, you are openly fantasizing that she will be institutionalized and have her children placed in the foster care system. You are rooting for her children to hate her. This site exists solely because you hate Kate Gosselin.
BTW, I couldn't care less if people make fun of her new hair since her hair is something she can change and she chose to make the new hair the focus of a magazine story. I do, however, take strong exception to other comments about her physical appearance over which she has no control -- e.g., her "wonky" eye -- that are simply mean-spirited.
And again, no where does it states that I 'hate' Kate.
Is she bad mother? yes.
Was she a horrible wife. yes.
Do I hate her? No. Big difference.
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So, in conclusion, yes, Kate is a narcissist.
Why don't you go to some of those "Hate Jon sites".. It is NOTHING compared to this site
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Hey JJ, I agree with you on that point. Those sites are NOTHING compared to this. LOL
Ok, I just notice a typo. Unlike Kate and her sheeple, I am willing admit that I do make errors. Anyways, what I meant to say was, my site is nothing compared to those Jon hate sites.
This isn't even a hate site. Not sure where you guys are getting that from.
Exposing her lies and deception doesn't = hate.
Now, wishing death and using a lot of curse words (Kaydar, princessboard). That is pure hatred. There's a lot of lunatics posting on those sites. It's no surprise Kate and Jon both have security guards. A few even admitted to celebrating and jumping for joy when they heard about Jon's apartment being ransacked.
Those individuals also need to realize that they are not "princesses" and need to get over themselves. It's no wonder they support Kate. Birds of a feather.
They call themselves princesses, flocking around with magic wands prancing around their rooms. You just can't take them seriously.
Not Anonymous said...
""In the line of fire?!?"
It means that you claim that you're not a Kate fan yet you are here, taking bullets for her. Is there any adult there who can help you read?
"You're assuming that I give a shit what strangers in cyberspace think about me and my opinions. You assume wrong."
I already know that you don't give a shit what strangers think about you scouring the internet for freebies for Kate. I think it's kind of you to help her, but I'm not going to GIVE her a break -- it's NOT going to happen. For $150, I can let you win a point in an argument about her. I can say something nice about her for $250; otherwise, I'm going to tell the truth.
"You can "maintain" whatever you'd like. It doesn't make it truth...You can't actually back up your assertion, of course, since I haven't said anything either positive or negative about Kate here."
I seem to recall you, early on in this discussion, making the ad hominem argument, 'Nice job, child "advocates."' Let me give you a tip (a free one): If you don't want to be identified as a duck, then don't quack like one.
OrderlyL said...
"It means that you claim that you're not a Kate fan yet you are here, taking bullets for her. Is there any adult there who can help you read?"
Oh no, was I just called a child by people who call others names like Skanktoro? Yep, the maturity level around these parts is something to which I truly aspire.
I'm perfectly capable of reading. I don't believe I have taken any "bullets" for Kate, however. Perhaps you should re-read those signs of narcissism as you sure do seem to have an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
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"I already know that you don't give a shit what strangers think about you scouring the internet for freebies for Kate. I think it's kind of you to help her, but I'm not going to GIVE her a break -- it's NOT going to happen. For $150, I can let you win a point in an argument about her. I can say something nice about her for $250; otherwise, I'm going to tell the truth."
Since you can't back up your assertion, now you've decided to add to the fantasy by claiming that I'm scouring the Internet for freebies for Kate? Once again, posters here prove that they are living in a parallel universe. Is reality too rough for ya?
Nice of you to offer to say something nice about Kate for $250. It's always great to see people abandon their beliefs for such a cheap price. Perhaps you'd be better served scouring the Internet for freebies for yourself.
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"I seem to recall you, early on in this discussion, making the ad hominem argument, 'Nice job, child "advocates."' Let me give you a tip (a free one): If you don't want to be identified as a duck, then don't quack like one."
Perhaps you should follow your own advice and get some help with comprehension. Let me spell it for you again, s-l-o-w-l-y. (Why yes, I am being condescending.) It is not in the best interest of the children to have this level of vitriolic crap written about their mother in a public forum that is accessible to them. The same holds true for equally vitriolic crap written about their father. Anyone who claims to give a shit about these children should not be spewing bile about either parent. It's really quite simple...at least to rational people.
Not Anonymous said...
"Oh no, was I just called a child by people who call others names like Skanktoro?...I don't believe I have taken any "bullets" for Kate, however."
Well, you have -- you've made arguments for her and lost them. And you just lost another, the one involving Skanktoro. I'VE never started in on that woman, much less called her Skanktoro. And, as far as I know, I'M the only person here who has decided that you must be a child.
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"...I'm scouring the Internet for freebies for Kate?..."
Of course you are. You're looking for me to "give Kate a break" -- to not tell the truth about her behavior. But, I'm sorry, it's not going to kill Kate to be called on the carpet. Look at how many bullets you've taken for her, and you're not dead!
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"Nice of you to offer to say something nice about Kate for $250. It's always great to see people abandon their beliefs for such a cheap price."
It doesn't look like you're going to stop making excuses for Kate, so I might as well take a page from her playbook. **sniff** I've got a stack of bills in my purse and would you believe, I'm expected to pay them?!
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"...It is not in the best interest of the children to have this level of vitriolic crap written about their mother...."
In case you haven't noticed, I'm over worrying about Kate's children. Kate figured out how to put a $1.3 M roof over their heads, and she can figure out how to deal with the negative criticism.
I'm concerned now with what's in the best interest of ALL children, what with the level of complimentary crap written about Kate Gosselin in public forums that are accessible to mothers everywhere. I shudder to think that some women might mistake Kate for a positive role model...Sue me, for having high standards.
And don't complain like a typical Kate Fool that I don't know what it's like to have 8 children. I daresay that you don't, either.
OrderlyL said...
"It doesn't look like you're going to stop making excuses for Kate, so I might as well take a page from her playbook. **sniff** I've got a stack of bills in my purse and would you believe, I'm expected to pay them?!"
Here's your challenge: Find and quote one "excuse" I've made for Kate. Good luck, since I haven't made any. Lying in an attempt to "win" an Internet argument is both pathetic and tacky.
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"In case you haven't noticed, I'm over worrying about Kate's children. Kate figured out how to put a $1.3 M roof over their heads, and she can figure out how to deal with the negative criticism.
I'm concerned now with what's in the best interest of ALL children, what with the level of complimentary crap written about Kate Gosselin in public forums that are accessible to mothers everywhere. I shudder to think that some women might mistake Kate for a positive role model...Sue me, for having high standards."
My, my, your narcissism is showing again. Whether or not you personally care about the Gosselin children does not change my point. As for your proclaimed concern for "all" children, how very noble. I'm sure children everywhere will be in a much better place now that you've called Kate Gosselin "ugly" on the Internet. If you actually believe that mothers everywhere are emulating Kate Gosselin because they read complimentary things about her from complete strangers on ROL, I don't know what to say as you are not living in the real world.
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"And don't complain like a typical Kate Fool that I don't know what it's like to have 8 children. I daresay that you don't, either."
Oooh, thanks for the warning. It's always fun to see people get angry over something that they think might happen. I've never made such a statement and hadn't planned to here. Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm sure you can redirect your anger toward one of the other fantasy scenarios in your fertile imagination.
Bottom line here is, Kate Gosselin is a narcissist.
Not Anonymous said...
"Here's your challenge: Find and quote one "excuse" I've made for Kate. Good luck, since I haven't made any. Lying in an attempt to "win" an Internet argument is both pathetic and tacky."
You said, 'I'm curious how you "prepare" five year-olds to understand that complete strangers hate Mommy'. As IF the fact that Kate's kids are 5 years old somehow makes the criticism-problem insurmountable for her. It was an excuse, utter BS rhetoric.
And you knew as well as I did that whatever kind of problem it creates, it's not MY problem. So you tried lecturing on morality: "that doesn't make it right". LOL Let me tell you something about right and wrong: You're on the WRONG blog to excuse Kate from a discussion of morality.
More importantly, I'VE never said that I hate Kate. You played the hate card, hoping it would make me take the blame for this, which is another way of saying you're making excuses for Kate. FYI, I wouldn't waste hatred on Kate. I have no need to, since absolute evil in the form of a martyr is directly in front of me.
You evaded the first two arguments I made in my previous post -- arguments to points which YOU brought up -- so, there is no telling which of your new arguments are frivolous. I'm not wasting any more time with you.
But I don't hate you. I just think you're sloppy at debating. You should try writing a romance novel instead.
And she's bipolar. The disorder can be compared to constantly being on an emotional roller-coaster. And bipolar people are known for their ability to manipulate the emotions of others. Otherwise, it would be like riding the roller coaster alone, experiencing the intense emotions in what amounts to a vacuum.
There are so many instances of Kate's emotional manipulation of others and it's a longstanding pattern, which is significant. She was manipulating the 'tups when they were only infants. In an early episode, she is shown going into the nursery and finding that one of the babies, I think one of the girls, had had a big messy BM. But the messy diaper wasn't bothering the baby; she was content in her crib, oblivious that anything was wrong. But Kate picked her up and let out a blood-curdling scream, promptly upsetting her and causing her to cry.
"* exaggerated personal achievements and abilities"
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Yes, Miss Katie Irene thinks she can handle a talk show gig on her own. Typical narcissist. I wonder why we haven't seen anything for Kate's new show? Because TLC is blowing hot air up her a$$. There is no show. She is done.
OrderlyL said...
You said, 'I'm curious how you "prepare" five year-olds to understand that complete strangers hate Mommy'. As IF the fact that Kate's kids are 5 years old somehow makes the criticism-problem insurmountable for her. It was an excuse, utter BS rhetoric.
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Wow, you must be really desperate if that's the best you can come up with. You can't possibly be this dense, so I'll assume you are being intentionally obtuse. It was not an "excuse" -- I don't think anyone can adequately prepare a 5 year-old to understand the kind of vile comments that are made here and elsewhere. The comment had nothing to do with Kate and everything to do with the fact that the children are five freakin' years old and not developmentally equipped to comprehend that. Talk about excuses -- you just want an excuse to spew bile while claiming to be on the side of morality. What utter and complete hypocritical bullshit.
" More importantly, I'VE never said that I hate Kate. You played the hate card, hoping it would make me take the blame for this, which is another way of saying you're making excuses for Kate. FYI, I wouldn't waste hatred on Kate. I have no need to, since absolute evil in the form of a martyr is directly in front of me."
Absolutely evil in the form of a martyr is directly in front of you? Did you look in the mirror?
Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
" You evaded the first two arguments I made in my previous post -- arguments to points which YOU brought up -- so, there is no telling which of your new arguments are frivolous. I'm not wasting any more time with you."
I wasn't aware that I was required to respond to every word you posted. Are there rules posted about that somewhere? Silly me, I thought I was on an Internet blog, not in debate class.
Yeah, we'll see if you can resist responding. You strike me as the type who will claim to be done but keep coming back for more.
" But I don't hate you. I just think you're sloppy at debating. You should try writing a romance novel instead."
Ah, gee, how sweet. I was really, really concerned that a stranger for whom I have not one iota of respect might hate me. I'll sleep well tonight now that you've clarified that.
PS. I'm not a fan of your debating skills either. I'm not sure whether to suggest romance novels for you, as I don't read that trash so I'm not familiar with the writing style.
jibberjabbers said...
Bottom line here is, Kate Gosselin is a narcissist.
And you got a degree psycology/psychiatry from where? Grandiose thoughts (such thinking you are qualified to make a diagnosis) is a sign of mental illness.
What an utter fool you make of yourself.
Get thee to a shrink ASAP.
Anonymous said...
And you got a degree psycology/psychiatry from where? Grandiose thoughts (such thinking you are qualified to make a diagnosis) is a sign of mental illness.
What an utter fool you make of yourself.
Get thee to a shrink ASAP.
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OMG You would have to be crazy, and in need of a shrink yourself, or need to get your eyes examined, to say that Kate's not sick.
The compulsiveness, grandiosity ("it's mine, all mine" LOL), snappiness, hostility, HUGE sense of entitlement, habitual exploitation of others -- her behavior screams euphoric mania. The signs of depression have not been so obvious but, trust me, they would not have filmed a severe depressive episode.
Some bipolars don't even have major depressive episodes. But there have been signs of depression -- anger, aggressiveness, fatigue. She has even self-reported some -- straight from the horse's mouth. She reported loneliness and sleep disturbances after her show ended. She "felt like a failure", which is something one would expect to hear from a bipolar who is in a depressive episode, a narcissist who is unhappy about the harsh realities of his/her life, or both.
...Normal depression over "losing her job"? I don't think so. Kate also said that her children were "sobbing because the cameras were gone". Really, the same children who asked "what's for snack" when she and Jon told them that they were splitting up.
She either projected her depression onto her kids, broke the news in a manner designed to manipulate their emotions, or she just said that to manipulate the emotions of viewers. Probably all three. And none of it is normal, healthy behavior.
Bipolar disorder and narcissism look very similar. The main difference is that, when a narcissist feels down, it's usually not prolonged and their grandiosity, sense of entitlement, compulsiveness, etc. doesn't go away. They don't sink into total despair and self-deprecation like a bipolar does.
But, it wouldn't surprise me if Kate is on antidepressants. She's certainly no stranger to the doctor's office. Without knowing that, and without the benefit of being able to assess her in person or have cameras follow her around 24/7, there's like, maybe, one holdout on the jury.
I can't say for 100% sure what disorder she has. And frankly, I don't care enough to look more closely...doctors get paid to care. But there is enough information to definitely say that she's ill. It's as obvious as her fake boobs.
Anonymous said...
"Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
itsaboutthekids said...
Anonymous said...
"Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
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Why do you care?
Not Anonymous said...
itsaboutthekids said...
Anonymous said...
"Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
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Why do you care?
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I don't care. I was just curious in general why anyone would subject themselves to "hate-filled" posts if it upsets them so much. If you had posted as "Not Anonymous" I wouldn't have bothered. Sorry, thought you were anyone else.
But I have to say, good comeback.
itsaboutthekids said...
Anonymous said...
...Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled....
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
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I'm curious about that mysterious customer, too.
"Were you looking for something in particular, or just browsing? We have a selection of masks in several sizes -- Kate-Fool, Hypocritical Hater, Hypocritical Child Advocate, Devil Incarnate. What size are you?" LOL
itsaboutthekids said...
Not Anonymous said...
itsaboutthekids said...
Anonymous said...
"Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
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Why do you care?
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I don't care. I was just curious in general why anyone would subject themselves to "hate-filled" posts if it upsets them so much. If you had posted as "Not Anonymous" I wouldn't have bothered. Sorry, thought you were anyone else.
But I have to say, good comeback.
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Uh, I did post as "Not Anonymous" so I have no clue what you are talking about. You might want to bone up on those reading skills.
OrderlyL said...
itsaboutthekids said...
Anonymous said...
...Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled....
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If you feel this way, why are you here?
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I'm curious about that mysterious customer, too.
"Were you looking for something in particular, or just browsing? We have a selection of masks in several sizes -- Kate-Fool, Hypocritical Hater, Hypocritical Child Advocate, Devil Incarnate. What size are you?" LOL
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Oh, the hilarity! I'll take "Devil Incarnate" as I look fabulous in red.
Not Anonymous said...
Uh, I did post as "Not Anonymous" so I have no clue what you are talking about. You might want to bone up on those reading skills.
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you're right. It sometimes gets confusing when there are multiple posts and similar names. So tell me if this is right...
you said:
"Let me tell you something: You don't have to use the word "hate" to demonstrate hate. Your posts and the posts of many others here are hate-filled. For someone who thinks she's such a mighty fine debater, I can only laugh at your assertion that not using the word "hate" is equal to "not hating." It's beyond ridiculous.
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I said:
If you feel this way, why are you here?
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you said:
Why do you care?
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I said:
I don't care. I was just curious in general why anyone would subject themselves to "hate-filled" posts if it upsets them so much.
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Now it's your turn.
You said:
??????
itsaboutthekids said...
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I said:
I don't care. I was just curious in general why anyone would subject themselves to "hate-filled" posts if it upsets them so much.
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Now it's your turn.
You said:
??????
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You left out this part of your post: "If you had posted as "Not Anonymous" I wouldn't have bothered. Sorry, thought you were anyone else."
Please make up your mind. You claimed that you wouldn't have asked the question of me and yet now you are pressing me for an answer.
I'm here because I want to be. Yes, that's a vague non-answer, but I really don't feel obligated to say anything beyond that.
You said...
You left out this part of your post: "If you had posted as "Not Anonymous" I wouldn't have bothered. Sorry, thought you were anyone else."
Please make up your mind. You claimed that you wouldn't have asked the question of me and yet now you are pressing me for an answer.
I'm here because I want to be. Yes, that's a vague non-answer, but I really don't feel obligated to say anything beyond that.
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I said...
You are right, I did say that. But since I had already inadvertently asked the question of you I thought it would be okay to complete the inquiry. No pressure and of course you don't have to respond. It was just a simple little curiosity that's neither here not there. Whether I got an answer or not wasn't going to make or break my day.
itsaboutthekids said...
Not Anonymous said...
Please make up your mind. You claimed that you wouldn't have asked the question of me and yet now you are pressing me for an answer.
I'm here because I want to be. Yes, that's a vague non-answer, but I really don't feel obligated to say anything beyond that.
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I said...
You are right, I did say that. But since I had already inadvertently asked the question of you I thought it would be okay to complete the inquiry. No pressure and of course you don't have to respond. It was just a simple little curiosity that's neither here not there. Whether I got an answer or not wasn't going to make or break my day.
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She can't divulge why she's here. So I'll tell you. She's here to disrupt. And then, she'll act like she's innocent, like a little angel. That's why she's evil.
I've come across her type enough to be able to see through the pretense without too much trouble. I tend to see the world around me in patterns and differences...a thing is this, but not that -- the forest AND the trees...even communication styles.
It's hard to explain; it's just my personality. Disruption tends to get my attention because I generally approach problems or tasks, or whatever, in an orderly way. Thus my ID, "Orderly".
She's going to be furious at me but, like I said, I'm done with her. I don't care what kind of torrent she unleashes. I don't care if her eyes blaze with fire, and her fangs ooze poison and she strikes again and again, I'm not afraid of evil and I won't falter.
OrderlyL,
I agree, she's only here to disrupt. What else could it be? She's more interested in slinging snarky barbs than making a valid argument. I was just curious to see if she would accidentally admit it. It's a game she plays to mess with your mind.
I ran into her a week or so ago and we sparred a few times and then I cut her off. The game gets boring pretty quickly. If I had realized it was her this time I wouldn't have responded but no biggie.
OrderlyL said...
She can't divulge why she's here. So I'll tell you. She's here to disrupt. And then, she'll act like she's innocent, like a little angel. That's why she's evil.
I've come across her type enough to be able to see through the pretense without too much trouble. I tend to see the world around me in patterns and differences...a thing is this, but not that -- the forest AND the trees...even communication styles.
It's hard to explain; it's just my personality. Disruption tends to get my attention because I generally approach problems or tasks, or whatever, in an orderly way. Thus my ID, "Orderly".
She's going to be furious at me but, like I said, I'm done with her. I don't care what kind of torrent she unleashes. I don't care if her eyes blaze with fire, and her fangs ooze poison and she strikes again and again, I'm not afraid of evil and I won't falter.
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Your narcissism is showing yet again. Furious? Hardly. I'm sitting here laughing and am going to cut and paste your comment and send it some friends, who will be equally amused.
I reserve the adjective "evil" for the likes of Adolf Hitler, so I certainly wouldn't categorize you as evil. Grandiose, hyperbolic, melodramatic, delusional, hypocritical, passive-aggressive, and of course narcissistic, yes. Completely full of shit, definitely. In need of some major therapy and pharmacological intervention, very likely. Evil, no.
itsaboutthekids said...
OrderlyL,
I agree, she's only here to disrupt. What else could it be? She's more interested in slinging snarky barbs than making a valid argument. I was just curious to see if she would accidentally admit it. It's a game she plays to mess with your mind.
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You did well. You caught her off guard, which was no small feat. I think I almost heard a whimper accompanying her answer, "Why do you care?"
LOL The question was innocent enough! How many reasons could one have for being here? This blog is kind of specialized, to say the least, and she's been complaining about the nature of the posts. An innocent participant shouldn't have responded defensively. Not to mention following with an attack.
itsaboutthekids said...
I ran into her a week or so ago and we sparred a few times and then I cut her off. The game gets boring pretty quickly. If I had realized it was her this time I wouldn't have responded but no biggie.
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Oh, and didn't I tell you, she'd be furious? Clever of her to play the narcissist card, given the current disdain for narcissists. But, no worries, I can trump that card. A narcissist wouldn't have given her the time of day in the first place, much less debate with her for several days. No, a narcissist wouldn't have given even the Devil the time of day; that's just how supreme they think they are!
OrderlyL said...
itsaboutthekids said...
OrderlyL,
I agree, she's only here to disrupt. What else could it be? She's more interested in slinging snarky barbs than making a valid argument. I was just curious to see if she would accidentally admit it. It's a game she plays to mess with your mind.
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You did well. You caught her off guard, which was no small feat. I think I almost heard a whimper accompanying her answer, "Why do you care?"
LOL The question was innocent enough! How many reasons could one have for being here? This blog is kind of specialized, to say the least, and she's been complaining about the nature of the posts. An innocent participant shouldn't have responded defensively. Not to mention following with an attack.
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I'm afraid that was one of the voices in your head whimpering as it certainly wasn't me. I can't begin to imagine a comment on an Internet blog that would cause me to "whimper." If you take this seriously enough to think that could happen -- perhaps because some comments have gotten that reaction out of you -- you need to step away from the computer.
As for attacks, I didn't "attack" itsaboutthekids; besides, you really don't want to go there, do you? You're really not one to talk, unless of course in your alternate universe labeling someone "absolute evil" is a compliment. If that's the case, my apologies for not thanking you!
OrderlyL,
At this point before was when I came to the realization that this was a conversation going nowhere except in circles. It's like playing tic-tac-toe, and the cat always wins. How many times do you play after that? LOL The first one to turn off the conversation and end it is the one who's here for legit reasons.
So, once again I'm going to say, Bubye Ms./Mr. Not Anonymous. Have a nice life bugging someone else.
This is why other BLOGs monitor the comments before approving them.
I really don't want to go there and have to approve comments. The best advise I can give you all is, Don't Feed The Trolls
Sure it's fun in the beginning, but then starts to go in circles and get very repetitive.
Go look at kaydaronline. They're so lazy, they actually copy and paste their comments whenever a "hater" shows up. LOL
The best thing to do on kaydaronline is say what you have to say and leave. That totally pisses them off when you don't reply. LOL
Wow, The hate here for Kate will make you take a story and do some real twisting around. Why do you think everything you have to say Jibber Jabber is the right thing? this blog was stared to only bash Kate and let Jon be the good guy that did no wrong. It seems some thinks maybe he can walk on water he is so innocent. They both have done wrong things as a parent. I feel that this place takes all Kate says and does and turns it around to something totally different. Name calling is really low. Kate could if she was that kind of person copy all that has been said here and sue you. She is not like Jon that is lawyer happy and has to try to look like the angel.
This blog was started to exposed the truth. Whether is lies from Kate, Jon or TLC.
So, months has gone by since this was posted. Since more and more people are seeing the real Kate Gosselin, and the "newbies" are now more informed by their "incompetent mother of 8", lets go back and read the Common indications of Narcissism.
Does Kate Gosselin have more than 5 of the following criteria?
In accordance with the DSM-IV, a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is considered when five or more of the following criteria are present:
* has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
* is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
* believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
* requires excessive admiration
* has a sense of entitlement, i.e. unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
* is interpersonally exploitative (i.e. takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends)
* lacks empathy, i.e. is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
* is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
* shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
From the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition. American Psychiatric Association, 1994.
She clearly is a narcissist! I should kno I was raced by 2 , not 1, but 2 & a abusive brother who is a narcissist, becuz he was raced by 2 parents who are...both my sisters married narcissists... the only reason I didn't marry a narcissist is because I got therapy and educated myself on narcissism and then of course I attracted many narcissists my entire life because that's what I was raised with...& the fact that I'm selfless explains why I'm the perfect victim...this is the personality type that narcissists attack....becuz we r so noce & caring * thinking of others first...but I did seem to manage to derail marrying a narcissist which was incredibly planned by me cuz I knew I did not want to marry either one of my parents...happy ending in my marriage but family sucks refuses to c my point of view on subject...denial , they call it
She will never wake up ...she is a narcissist....they never take accountability for anything its everybody else fault...she is a abomination & should b locked away for abusing the kids as she does..so selfish
She iiisssSSS A MONSTER ! SO ABUSIVE TO EVERYONE INCLUDING HER KIDS...SHE SHOULD B ASHAMED BUT SHE WILL NEVER B CUZ SHE IS A CLASSIC NARCISSIST....I HV 2 PARENTS & A BROTHER WHO ARE...GOD HELP ME !
She wont get help ...she is a narcissist....they never take accountability...never! I should kno I was raised by 2 narcissists...awful upbringing !
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