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September 30, 2010

Quints by surprise....

Ethan, you're not the baby's daddy. Surprise!

Ethan and Casey are just another example of families using "fertility treatments" to have "just one more" (wink wink).

Ethan suffers from low sperm count and the couple couldn't have kids naturally. So, instead of taking his sperm and having it artificially inseminated into Casey's egg, for some "odd" reason, they decided to go with a "donor" sperm for the IUI process. This makes no sense at all. Someone care to explain why they decided to go with a donor sperm?

Not only did they use "donor sperm", but Casey also went through fertility treatment (which has a high risk of giving multiples). So why your donor sperm and fertility treatment? Surprise my ass!

So their quest to have (just one more) a brother or a sister for their eldest daughter, became not one more, but 5 more. If they really wanted just "one more", why not adopt a kid? Seeing that they had to use donor sperm anyways. Why not just adopt a kid? If you really just wanted 1 more?

While the options of "reducing" the numbers were available, they decided not to reduce the numbers and to make up for the cost of having so many kids, they decided to downsize their home, move into a smaller house and put their newborns on TV.

Well they be as popular as the Gosselins? I highly doubt it. They're about to get a huge awakening when TLC drops them.

Let that be a warning to all the sheeple who are to emulate Kate Gosselins.

Oh yeah, Casey also went through a tummy tuck, just like her idol Kate Gosselin.

Read more about the scam here: TWOP

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43 comments:

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

If they think they are going to be a successful as the Gosselins and live off the kids think again.....

Octomom 15 minutes is gone. Kate Plus 8 is tanking. And TLC is about to release another Sextuplet show featuring a Latino Family.

I highly doubt any of the show will be as successful as Jon and Kate Plus 8.

1st of all, J&K +8 featured 2 interracial couple with half-Asian / half-White looking babies. I think this had something to due with it. Not just the number of kids but the entire package.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

That really worries me that these people are breeding deliberately so they can become rich and famous like their role model, Khate. It was not Khate nor Jon that made that show - it was the kids - they just have a way of connecting with the camera and getting inside your heart - and it is so sad for them that their mother doesn't appreciate them at all - only the riches they bring.

I had every intention of watching the show until the kids were gone and grown. But cannot even watch a moment of it anymore because the kids are treated so poorly.

I see a pattern here. The Masches don't treat their children much better - they lock them in their room at night.

I have tried to watch the Masches and the kids are just a blur, have no idea about them at all - and after watching several episodes don't know who is who except Savannah. Yes the Masche's like Khate have one that "needs them more."

Passing threw said... [Reply]

I hope they don't turn out like the Gosselin parents about the $$$$ greed and the celeb that warp the Gosselin parents minds as well.....

Anonymous said... [Reply]

The mom on that new show, Casey, I am sure has had more procedures done than just a tummytuck....The woman's forehead does not move....EVER. LAY OFF THE BOTOX PEOPLE!

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

@Passing threw

I think it is about the $$$$. From what I read so far, it sounds like another case of a family using their kids to get attention, fame or money.

Sadly, the show won't be as successful as they hope it would be.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

The family story is really starting to sound like the Gosselins....

1) They wanted "just one more".

2) Ethan was happy with their first child, yet mother wanted "one more", decided to use fertility drugs again and go through IUI. You really don't need "fertility drugs" when going through IUI.

Fertility drugs would only be administered after several fail attempts. The Joneses never mentioned anything about any failed attempts.

3) Just like the Gosselins, when the multiples were born, both family contacted TLC.

4) Both family have helps, but the Gosselin's help were paid by the city. I don't know much about the Joneses. Seems like no one are interested in them.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

Here's an old article about the Joneses.


http://www.examiner.com/parenting-multiples-in-austin/austin-s-jones-quints-turn-one

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

Just visited their site for the 1st time and noticed they they're throwing in bibles verses all over their site. Just like the Gosselins use to!

What's next? A "prayers" lists?

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

Ok, I'm actually going to retract my statement. Ethan is a good guy. No reason to poke at him for supporting 6 kids that aren't "biologically" his. He is there for them and that's all the matters.

While I am a bit suspicious to why they couldn't use his seed.

I wish the family the best of luck and I hope that the kids grow up strong, healthy and happy.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I'm one of those people who needs to use donor sperm and medicated iui's conceive. Some men have no sperm, or sperm that literally just swim in circles, unable to fertilize eggs. I went through numerous iui's without medication. Some couples need the drugs to release the eggs that they make.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I believe these parents wanted to complete their families. If you haven't struggled with infertility, you don't have any idea what extent you will go to to have a family...and frankly shouldn't speak on it!!!!!

Anonymous said... [Reply]

Have you noticed all they talk about is money and expense? They are BEGGING for money in a subtle way. Talk about Kate, geez........they won't let the kids run around the house at all. They are TRAPPED upstairs in one small area. And they rarely take them out anywhere. They had a baby dedication but I bet it's the only time they ever took those kids to church.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

@Anonymous
I believe these parents wanted to complete their families. If you haven't struggled with infertility, you don't have any idea what extent you will go to to have a family...and frankly shouldn't speak on it!!!!!
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Ethan had low sperm count. They could have STILL used his sperm to fertilized her egg. But they decided to use a donor sperm & take fertility treatment. Read more by clicking the TWOP link or see the comments below.

See this page for more info:
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Trucker said... [Reply]

JJ,

I read on his personal site, before the show, that Ethan is in fact sterile...not just low count.

Which begs the question, why not do what we did after hubs had testicular cancer...I was fine, so we charted everything which 20 years ago was not nearly as sophisticated...predicted my peak fertility, bought our vile of sperm and did IUI. No need to hyperstimulate ovaries, and low and behold, I was blessed with a baby! I can firmly believe that she was a gift from God. No science involved.

So while I don't blame them one bit for using donor sperm, I do belive the babies are biologically Eliot's siblings, why the need to put Casey thru fertility treatments?

Has anyone heard she had problems as well?

I am a medically based and science based individual, but it is 100% wrong, IMO, to allow a woman to carry so many babies.

I do believe, it should become a protocal with fertility treatments, that should you end up with more than 3, a law would reguire reduction, for Mom and babies sake, for our medical care costs etc...

Did anyone see the Caprio's last night? Darling, dalring family, but clearly those babies have not had the available care that the Jones and Gosselins had.

One little girl is very pigeon toed, and this is easily corrected at around 9 months. Two have vocal cord damage and can barely be heard and one can't walk yet.

They do have a PT that comes in, but while there seems to be a vast amount of love and patience in their home, it does not make up for medical care.

For this family, I can see the show HELPING these children.

And the Jones family seems very unGosselin like as well. However, they new what they were getting into, and practically beg for money. For them thought, I get the feeling it is to maintain their standard of living.

She carries YSL purses, wears 200 dollar jeans...these were not poor people scraping by!

Yea, the economy turned...and we all new it was coming. Maybe be a little more responsible in your family planning.

And CHIP is for poor families...duh, why would they qualify?

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I watched and actually kind of liked the show. They were more genuine than JK actually openly drinking their wine instead of hiding it. And openly sexual inuendo as you would expect with a married couple but never saw on JK8 (I am sure it did not exist after Khatan got her oriental tups that wasprobably the last of it).

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I did get kind of tired of the money digs - you have a reality show, that should change your financial situation drastically. We don't want to hear about it - we got problems of our own to worry about. Keep it worry free us and you might have a chance.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

@Trucker

I think in the 1 hour or so documentary, Ethan stated that he had low sperm count and that the ones that he did have, were barely swimming.

All you need is one live sperm to fertilized the egg through artificial insemination .

Of course this method will only give you 1 baby. It was obvious that Casey wanted multiples.

ICSI (Intra Cytoplasmic Sperm Injection)

If there is a question of the sperm's ability to fertilize the egg, due to either a low sperm count or poor quality of the sperm, that poses no problem whatsoever. Intra-Cytoplasmic Sperm Injection (ICSI) would be performed instead of regular In Vitro Fertilization (IVF). With ICSI, the eggs are retrieved the same as if you were doing conventional IVF. However, the eggs and the sperm are then fertilized in the laboratory, by direct injection of a single sperm into each egg. Three days later the resulting embryos are simply placed into your uterus with no surgery, just as with IVF. Extra embryos are frozen for later attempts at pregnancy.

Iowa Girl said... [Reply]

I saw the Joneses show and I felt they kept saying it so expensive to take care of and clothe all these kids. But all 5 kids are in matching outfits and the family looks dressed to the hilt. I agree with Trucker that I think they are worried about maintaining their high standard of living and keeping up with everyone else these days. If they are hurting for money, why aren't they selling some furniture or making adjustments, shopping at consignments or rummage sales? I want to see people actually struggling and sacrificing, not people who find it hard to keep their kids in matching, name-brand clothes and keep themselves in name-brand clothing. I want to see a REAL family who is actually struglling to make ends meet. These people IMO don't look like they are sacrificing economically.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I have to say at first I liked this family, and thought the kids were cute. But then when they started complaining about money and such. I was like give me a break, did you look at your house, and children your life is practically perfect. But then I found out they used donor sperm, and I was like What? IS Eliot a full or half sibling? It doesn't bother Ethan all of those kids are not biologically his? Will they ever tell them he's not their biological dad? does anyone else find it weird ?Eliots name is Ethan grandparents, who are not genetically related to her? I can see that as drama in itself when they find out, or if they ever divorced. Poor kids are going to be so confused "who's my daddy?" they should have adopted, yes you have some of the same issues, but it's a little more "straight forward". Also I know the fertility clinic stuff is very private and hard to access, but what if the bio dad finds out those are his kids on TV and wants to see them, Major Drama there!

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I disliked the show. They both seemed to be begging or complaing about money. They had a high lifestyle before kids, they talked about trips, a boat, personal trainer and now they have to give things up for the babies it is a whine fest. I also didn't understand (since the said they have insurnace) how the kids cost 50k a year. They got free diapers and are off forumla and they do not pay for childcare? so what costs 10k a year per kid? matching clothes?

I' hoping their show doesn;t make it. I don;t like the idea of every multiple family having a show, but I would prefer seeing table for 12 back or more of the new family that lives in new york then the Jones family.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

Doesn't sound like TLC has found a replacement yet for J&K Plus 8.

Kate +8 is tanking, (the Roloffs gets more ratings).

Twist of Kate, who is going to watch that?

Sextuplets take NY?

Quints by surprise?

DIeting one delivery meal at a time said... [Reply]

I like them and I like the show. She is very positive and no matter that they weren't/aren't poor, they did have a huge life change and then a job in an economy that tanked. If your standard of living is X and it is now Y, it still is a sacrifice. I think that she handles curve balls great and I think they show us a loving couple and family. I hope the show makes it. As for the person above that says the reduction should be the law, are you from China? I mean my God, forced abortion? Not in this country. Yet, anyway.

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CurvyDiva said... [Reply]

Unless you have faced fertility issues - you have NO idea the pain it brings into your life.

Ethan is sterile - while he may have sperm avaialable they are not normal - and this usually means even in a lab they won't be able to fertilize an egg. It is standard protocol to hyperstimulate the ovary gently when doing iui with donor sperm, since you need to control the cycle.

A law to require reduction - WTH? Why don't we just kill the old people too when they get to problematic - oh wait, universal health care will do that for us....

Yes, they seemed to have a very nice lifestyle - but he lost his job - has nothing to do with having babies - he would be unemployed one way or another.

Also, on the matching clothes - they have parents - I assume the grandparents help w/clothing - my MIL does. The matching outfits are Carter's brand as well - available at pretty much any outlet mall...so I dont' think the matching outfit conversation has any merit.

The standard show fee is usually about $10K per episode - period - that's not enough to become rich - they have not the following or other outlets to make money like jk+8 did eventually. Their first season, they didn't make a lot either.

While it may seem there are a lot of these situations in the US - its actually very rare to see more than 3 babies via fertiltiy treatment - twins are common though (18%), triplets (5%) and HOM (less than 1%) - TV is just finding them and showing them to the world.

CurvyDiva said... [Reply]

Regarding ICSI - you have to have good sperm - no weird heads or double tails - Ethan's were funky...so they most likely would not have been able to fertilize anyway. Via ICSI (and you have to do IVF wtih ICSI)- fertilization rate is at best 75% , IVF success rate though is only 30-35% ... IVF requires a lot of drugs, time and money - its not something taken lightly and many women with issues decide to do donor sperm (DS) over having to go the route of IVF.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

http://www.infertile.com/infertility-treatments/icsi.htm

Says otherwise.

y colleagues, Drs. Van Steirteghem and Devroey from the Free University in Brussels, and I showed how we can take a single, almost non-moving "dead" appearing sperm and inject it into a woman's egg, getting a normal embryo and a completely normal baby. So far, over 10,000 babies have been born with this new technique from men who were otherwise considered hopelessly sterile. The babies are physically, mentally, and genetically completely normal, no matter how poor or miserable the sperm of the father.

We can take a man who would otherwise have to resort to donor sperm, and if we can find just a few weak sperm in his otherwise sterile appearing ejaculate, it is more than enough to microsurgically inject these few sperm into his wife's eggs, fertilize them normally, and get her pregnant.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

continued.

Even when there is no sperm whatsoever in the man's ejaculate (azoospermia), there is now a very good chance for pregnancy using our sperm retrieval and ICSI procedures. The techniques of sperm retrieval and ICSI were originally developed by us in Brussels, Belgium, and in St. Louis, Missouri.

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

One thing that also didn't make any sense to me was they moved into the BIG house and only had ONE kid....

Now that they have 6 kids, they are moving into a smaller home.

Now, my question is, why were they living in such a big of a house in the very beginning when they only had one kid?

Did Casey plan on having multiple in the very beginning?

Or, it could be that they were doing well and decided to just buy a large home before the economy sunk?

bub said... [Reply]

these people are idiots, they act like the are surprised they hsd five kids at once, yet they chose to plant at least that many embryos in her uterus which any ethical doctor would not do. Then they choose not to get rid of all but one because they are christian whackos. only a cretin would support their narcissitic mental illness by watching ther show. i hope the kids turnout okay, but seriously they'd be alot better off if they didn't have these wacko jerks for parents.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

Being a sperm donor does not make u a father!! Being there for love and support is what makes you a dad.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I guess I am so attracted to these multiple shows now is because at this time I have no grandchildren and love to see the babies. At first I enjoyed Jon and Kate and the way they were a team!! Unfortunately Kate has ruined everything she touches now with her better than thou attitude. Casey is loving and she and Ethan treat each other much the same as my husband and I do. I hope the best for this lovely family and Ethan seems like a REAL MAN who adores his wife and children. Good luck!!!

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I dislike the fact that they moved to "downsize" but yet are living an extravagant lifestyle...a photo session at the park (with a special photographer, fancy outfits), and shopping, etc., etc. I think they are going to be the next Jon and Kate.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

Wow. Some of the people here can really make a lot out of a little. Unless you were there in the room with this couple and their doctor you cant possibly know why they choose the treatment that they did. Also just because their is some new experimental procedure out their doesn't mean that they had access to it. You don't know why they choose the way they did and you don't know know what their doctor told them, to help them along in that decision. That said would it surprise me that it may have been done it on purpose, not at all. But who an I or you to come to that conclusion? As for forced abortion that someone suggested that's just sick.If a mother chooses that in the first trimester although I think its wrong it was her choice. Forcing it just as wrong as wrong can get. There was a couple before J&K I don't remember their names but I do remember her saying if she had chosen to terminate some she wouldn't have had any of her girls. Then she pointed out which ones they were. Do I want to have more than twins hell no. Would I be able to pick and choose who lives and who dies hell no.

JENSPAL said... [Reply]

remind me again why Kate Gosselin had fertility treatments? Not being snarky, just can't recall exactly why. I think she said she had PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrom). Still doesn't make any sense to me on why she would have fertility treatments so early in the marriage BEFORE trying the natural way (change in diet, lose weight, take vitamins, etc). I also have PCOS and ended up having 5 kids with NO medications or fertility treatments. Not only that, IF she had PCOS, she would have a weight problem, thinning hair on her head, low vitamin D, etc and we saw none of that in photos from before the show. I think Kate always wanted mulitiples and since she was a nurse, she knew exactly what ailment to diagnose herself with in order to convince a doctor to give her fertility treatments resulting in the much wanted muliple births. She only got 2 the first time around and that wasn't good enough for her (Jon didn't want more, remember?) and she went behind his back and started the process again, resulting in the 6. Or am I remembering incorrectly?

jibberjabbers said... [Reply]

@JENSPAL

Exactly, and if you look at the common symptoms of PCOS, it somewhat contradicts what Kate claims she suffers from.

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Early Symptoms
* Few or no menstrual periods
* Heavy, irregular bleeding. About 30% of women with PCOS have this
* Hair loss from the scalp and hair growth (hirsutism) on the face, chest, back, stomach, thumbs, or toes. About 70% of women in the United States with PCOS complain of these hair problems caused by high androgen levels.
* Acne and oily skin, caused by high androgen levels.
* Depression or mood swings.

Gradual Symptoms
* Weight gain or upper body obesity
* Male-pattern baldness or thinning hair (alopecia).
* Repeat miscarriages. The cause for this is not known.
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Common Symptoms of PCOS

The Twin Spinner said... [Reply]

On the house, Ethan and Casey meant for it to be an investment. They built it, planned on living in it for a couple of years, then selling it for a profit. They did NOT plan on the housing market tanking. Sometimes things don't go the way we planned.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I respectfully disagree with this blog post. First of all, I can completely understand why a woman who has delivered five plus kids would have a tummy tuck. I generally think that plastic surgery is pretty superficial, but in this case it was more of a "reconstruction" after something akin to major surgery. Also, maybe they had private reasons for using donor sperm that they didn't want to share with the world. Maybe the dad's family has a genetic issue that was personal to the family. And yes anyone who goes through IVF knows that having multiples is a possibility, but I'm sure (just as with other risks that we all take) that they were still "surprised" when they found out they were having 5 more kids. As far as doing the show, what would you do if you suddenly had 6 kids? Being a parent is a huge sense of responsibility of providing for their well-being that comes over you when the children are born. Going on TV to help pay for that seems completely reasonable to me. And they both seem like genuinely nice people. Well, of course you can have whatever take on it you want. But I don't see the necessity to take a negative read on everything with this family.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

Having just watched this show for the first time, I am sickened. If you are truely hurting financially, you don't have a huge house, designer clothes, a fake tan, YSL purses, breast implants (YES, she does), and a tummy tuck.

Not to mention the "surprise" not being a surprise at all. A suprise would have been totally natural multiples. High order multiples are pretty rare without medical intervention. Casey KNEW she was trying to get pregnant with multiples. So exactly how is that a surprise?!

I bet once the notoriety wears off for this litter, she'll pop out another. Better hope the donor still has sperm left for this woman and her quest for attention.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

i cant believe the things i am reading on here. If you have never experienced fertility problems, then you should feel extremely blessed and keep your opinions to yourself. This couple wanted children and this is the way they chose to do it. who are you people to judge? Last i heard procreation was legal and we were told to do so in the bible. if you posted a negative comment you should be ashamed of yourself!!!!

jj@thelyingchannel said... [Reply]

@Anonymous

Ethan, you sound mad. But hey, you can always leave your kids downstairs to go watch football. Lock your doors so they don't bug you as you watch that important game.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

I really like the show, and they are a really nice family. I have met them once, and all the designer stuff is fake. And I actually think he is there dad. Even if I am wrong, he acts like a father. People who are being negative, if you haven't net them, don't judge! They are good, nice people who just want a normal life,

Anonymous said... [Reply]

IUI is way less expensive than IVF. IUI (about 200-500/round) consists of just using the equivalent of a turkey baster to inseminate the woman...which for people with very low sperm count has a very low likelihood of success. Plus its a hassle. I almost had to do it and the way it was explained is my husband has to ejaculate in it, then run to the MD (during work hours) and have her inseminate me..hoping its "enough sperm" and you have to keep the temperature right......IVF costs around 10K/round and is not covered by insurance. Protocol is to usually try IUI-->IUI with donor sperm if this is opted...then IVF if it can be afforded.

Being that this country is seeing a decrease in overall health and fertility, its not fair to accuse people of deliberately breeding for fame. Infertility is very difficult for a woman but at the same time its not fair to say she should have just killed the other viable eggs. That could sit on a person's conscience too.

Also remember that thousands of women choose IVF and many DO NOT go on TV. These high order births are still very rare and a lot of times they are approached by TV producers...With the cost of care these parents go through, I can see how they can be tempted to defray their costs with a TV deal. Hauling 5+ kids around is truly not very glamorous or fun.

Be well.

Anonymous said... [Reply]

After carrying 5 kids, insurance will cover a tummy tuck....It might have been in conjunction with a ruined uterus that needed repair! Which we don't KNOW if that happened or not....But some cosmetic procedures are medically necessary. I think carrying 5 kids qualifies.

I know a lady who carried naturally conceived triplets almost to term! She qualified due to a ruined uterus. Unfortunately, she has fraternal twins in her family and so does her husband. Their siblings and cousins have either twins or triplets.

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